Gwyneth Paltrow has entered the world of podcasting, and she’s making a splash with her first guest: Oprah Winfrey.
In the first episode of the weekly goop Podcast, released Thursday, Paltrow and Winfrey have a wide-ranging conversation about Harvey Weinstein and the #MeToo movement, as well as the media mogul’s efforts to keep her relationship with Stedman Graham out of the spotlight.
“I was in Chicago, in my own little world, but what I knew about Harvey was that Harvey was a bully and that if Harvey’s on the phone, you didn’t want to take the call because you’re going to get bullied in some way,” Winfrey said of her own interactions with Weinstein.
“What I do question for myself is why I was willing to put up with a bullying thing?” Winfrey added. “I was willing to put up with, ‘OK I’ll take the call,’ ‘OK I’ll do that’…why am I willing to put up with an a–hole? Why we won’t tolerate other things, but you can throw phones and call people jerks or whatever and do all this nasty stuff.”
Paltrow also revealed that she now thinks Weinstein’s actions toward her may have shifted her away from wanting to act.
“I always told myself the story that I’d lost the passion for it and then I had my daughter and I wanted to be home,” she explained, “and now I’m starting to put the pieces together and thinking did this predominate relationship in my professional life lead me to not want to do it anymore?”
Winfrey is hopeful the #MeToo movement will spark real change for the better.
“I’m hoping that it leads to a better way of all human beings treating each other,” she said, “and that this moment in the movement is leading to us toward saying, ‘Not only am I not going to take your sexual harassment, I’m not going to take any of your bulls***.’ Period. I think we’re on our way but we’re still figuring it out.”
Winfrey also revealed that it was Maya Angelou who gave her the advice to not feed the tabloid coverage of her.
“It’s also why I stopped making as many public appearances with Stedman because I realized that every time there’s a new photograph, there’s a new story,” she explained.