Ethan Hawke waded into a controversial topic during his appearance on Vanity Fair‘s “Little Gold Men” podcast, chatting with host Mike Hogan about the firestorm that erupted when director Paul Schrader — who helmed Hawke’s new film, “First Reformed” — issued and then deleted a Facebook post indicating he’d jump at the chance to work with disgraced Oscar winner Kevin Spacey, writing, “I believe there are crimes in life but no crimes in art.”
During the podcast discussion, Hawke addressed Schrader’s remarks head on.
“When did we become this moral police about situations we don’t even understand?” said Hawke, 48. “Most people — you know, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey — they’ve been shamed. Then, everybody gets in the party line, even though they don’t really know what happened.”
However, Hawke was also quick to point out that he does not share Schrader’s opinion. “I disagree with Paul, and I think the reason he took [his post] down was he was trying to make a political statement about the nature of art and the nature of shaming,” Hawke continued. “I think it’s a valuable thing, but it’s not as nuanced as it should be.”
Hawke had more to say about the #MeToo movement. “There’s a whole generation that’s on trial right now — a generation that I grew up in making movies. There’s a lot of terrible behaviour. When the revolution of thought happens, there’s a lot of glasses and plates [that] are going to get broke — but they need to get broke. I mean, there’s no doubt in my mind — when I grew up in the movie business that I participated in, was involved in, witnessed, was raised by, was the whole river, the moving river was a boys’ club.”
Added Hawke: “People say: ‘You see here about Harvey — everybody did it.’ Not everybody did it. Everybody knew it happened. Most of us want to get the hell away from it.”
You can listen to the entire podcast right here.