We can count Kevin Costner among the many Americans who are dissatisfied with the current state of American politics.

In an interview with Variety‘s “The Big Ticket” podcast, the Oscar-winning star of new Netflix film “The Highwaymen” chats with interviewer Marc Malkin about the fractured U.S. political system.

“The political landscape is unrecognizable to me, and shame on us for being in that spot,” says Costner. “That could change overnight, not because of a vote, but because people say, ‘I want to try to be more than about myself.’ That’s the definition of public service.”

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Unfortunately, Costner isn’t optimistic that change will be coming anytime soon.

“This is the greatest experiment in humankind: America,” he declares. “This great idea about America still exists, it’s still here. People still want to come here, but we’re not first in hardly anything that matters and we have an inflated idea about how we are. We exaggerate about what we are. We are everything that’s great and we are everything that’s human. And our humanness and our level of selfishness is overtaking our chance to be great.”

An outspoken Democrat who campaigned for Barack Obama in 2008, Costner believes that the former president’s wife Michelle Obama could be a force to be reckoned with if she were to run for president in 2020.

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“Michelle’s incredibly bright and articulate and has possessed good judgement and experience as a result. Why couldn’t she be [president]?” he says, adding that if the former First Lady did place her name on the ballot, “she’d have a level of interest from me.”

You can listen to the entire podcast below; Costner’s interview begins at the 33-minute mark, following Malkin’s conversation with Jared Leto.