Taylor Swift is sitting down with Zane Lowe of Apple Music’s Beats 1 to talk about her new album Lover, and admits that fans are seeing a lot more of the real her in her new music when compared to her previous LP, Reputation.

According to the 29-year-old singer, Reputation was a bit more experimental and far less autobiographical than Lover.

“I knew I was doing a thing,” she tells Lowe of Reputation. “For the first time ever I was playing with the idea of a character and playing with the idea of sort of like, I kind of wrote the album a bit like a musical. I knew it would really come to life when I played it live.”

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When it came time to return to the studio, Swift knew she wanted to deliver her music unfiltered.

“And I knew with [Lover] it was something that was almost a return to form in a lot of ways,” she explains. “And in the way that I was just me as me singing about my life in the way that I actually experienced it. Not through a filter of these extremes.”

She adds: “You know, like Reputation was like you put an extreme filter on everything — like if I was mad, I was extremely mad. If I was feeling defiant, I was extremely defiant. If I was feeling low, I was extremely low.”

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During her chat with Lowe, Swift also opens up about the media’s fixation on her relationships, which she equates to slut-shaming.

“When I was 23 and people were just kind of reducing me to, like, kind of making slideshows of my dating life and putting people in there that I’d sat next to at a party once and deciding that my songwriting was like a trick rather than a skill and a craft,” she says.

“It’s a way to take a woman who’s doing her job and succeeding at doing her job and making things and in a way, it’s figuring out how to completely minimize that skill by taking something that everyone in their darkest, darkest moments loves to do, which is just to slut-shame,” Swift continues, adding that she sees the same thing happening to younger female artists, which she admits puts her in a “real sad place.”

“I don’t want that to keep happening and I don’t think people understand how easy it is to infer that someone who’s a female artist or a female in our industry is somehow doing something wrong by wanting love, wanting money, wanting success,” Taylor says. “Women are not allowed to want those things the way that men are allowed to want them.”

Addressing those performers, she encourages them to stand their ground. “Do not let anything stop you from making art,” she declares. “Just make things. Do not get so caught up in this that it stops you from making art or if you need to, make art about this but never stop making things.”

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You can watch the interview in its entirety above.

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