Aaron Rodgers is opening up about his spirituality, which doesn’t appear to embrace traditional religious dogma.

The Green Bay Packers quarterback, 36, appeared on girlfriend Danica Patrick’s YouTube podcast, “Pretty Intense”, with the two discussing the finer points of religious belief.

As Rodgers explained, he was raised in a devout Christian household, but admitted he was never really able to embrace religion.

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“Most people that I knew, church was just… you just had to go,” he told Patrick, as reported by People.

He did, however, derive meaning from doing volunteer work with his church’s youth group. “We put together homes for these folks who were living [with] garage door sides thrown together and stuff, that was meaningful,” he explained. “That was really meaningful work.”

When he became older and encountered people of other faiths, and he “enjoyed learning” about other religions. “I had some good friendships along the way that helped me to figure out exactly what I wanted to believe in,” he said. “Ultimately, it was that rules and regulations and binary systems don’t really resonate with me.”

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As a result, Rodgers takes more of a spiritual approach to his belief, and eschews traditionalism. He also questions the notion that a loving deity would allow so much suffering in the world.

“I don’t know how you can believe in a God who wants to condemn most of the planet to a fiery hell,” he said, apparently referencing the bushfires in Australia. “What type of loving, sensitive, omnipresent, omnipotent being wants to condemn his beautiful creation to a fiery hell at the end of all this?”

Ultimately, Rodgers believes religion “can be a crutch, it can be something that people have to have to make themselves feel better. Because it’s set up binary, it’s us and themsaved and unsavedheaven and hell, it’s enlightened and heathen, it’s holy and righteous… that makes a lot of people feel better about themselves.”