Dave Grohl is opening up about how he was affected by the death of Nirvana bandmate Kurt Cobain.

In a new interview for Apple Music, the Foo Fighters frontman talks about the band’s 1995 debut album, and how Cobain’s passing influenced it.

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“Most of the songs on that first record had been around for a while. There were a couple that were newer,” Grohl said.

“‘This Is A Call’ is probably the one song that… it had a different feel. It was a bit more uplifting than the other stuff that I’d written before,” he continued. “And especially coming after Kurt’s death, ‘This Is A Call’, it was like a renewal or a reawakening where I actually found joy in playing and writing. So it’s strange because when you’re in that moment and you’re in a period of loss or grief or mourning, it’s like you pick up an instrument and that just spills out.”

Added Grohl: “And it serves this like an exorcism where it feels good because you’re purging a lot of these feelings, but then it’s also a bummer. Every time I pick up a pen or a guitar and I’d start writing something, it was just depressing. And after a while, I’m like, ‘Oh God. Is that all I got?’ And then ‘This Is A Call’, something like that really… it just felt okay. Even a song like ‘Good Grief’. I think that one might’ve come later. That one was maybe after Kurt had passed away. I’m sure it was, at least the lyrics were. But that was meant to represent the joy of sadness in a way, just feeling good about feeling bad.”

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Grohl also talked about needing to step away for awhile after Cobain died.

“After Kurt passed away, there was a period of everyone just hiding from the world and our whole world was turned upside down,” he said.

“So there was grief, there was mourning. We all rallied together. I remember hanging out with [Nirvana bassist] Krist Novoselic and the two of us making sure that we were okay. And then I did a little bit of traveling. I remember going… I took a trip to the U.K. I don’t know, I just did a lot of driving around and thinking. And eventually, I started getting calls from people to ask if I wanted to play drums with them or join another band, and I just didn’t see that happening at the time.

Grohl explained how he was able to move forward. “And I’d always come home from tours and recorded songs by myself, but that feeling was gone. I didn’t really want to write or even listen to music, much less join a band and play in one,” he said. “So it was strange, when your life is just pulled out from under you like that. I don’t think anyone really thought much about what came next. You were stuck in that moment. So eventually, I just pulled myself off the couch and thought, ‘Okay, I’ve always loved playing music and I’ve always loved writing and recording songs for myself. So I feel like I need to do that just for myself.’”